Do teenage Squatches doorbell ditch?
By Boogeyman | July 31, 2010
My teenagers love to doorbell ditch. Quite frankly I think it is stupid and can’t for the life of me remember why I loved doing it so much when I was a teenager myself. It is clearly an adolescent thing, maybe the supposed danger, getting away with something, being sneaky or simply the adrenaline rush.
Like most of my Bigfoot musings I have many swirling thoughts that are unrelated, confusing and don’t really fit anywhere. Recently I had a few of these random thoughts come together to lay out a possible scenario.
There is an area we have been researching that seems to be a very active area. The amount of published and unpublished reports in this concentrated area is staggering. Our personal experiences are impressive and unusual in that the squatches in this area really seem to like making a whole bunch of noise, both tree knocks and vocalizations. Far more than anywhere else I’ve ever been. The area has all of the requirements to support squatches, plenty of game, thick cover and water, but so does the surrounding area for a hundred miles. So I have asked myself several times why this specific spot?
A coincidence provided a possible answer. While on a private expedition a tremendous amount of squatch noise was heard and recorded. What was the coincidence? A pair of experienced backpackers in the exact area submitted a report for me to investigate about strange vocalizations they heard in the middle of the night. They were in the same area and same time frame. The next morning they found a fresh footprint, and from their description it sounds like an adolescent squatch print. In talking to the witness, who has extensive outdoor and wildlife experience throughout the country, he asked why they would be in this area. I expressed my frustration and explained I didn’t know because there was nothing different about this spot than a thousand different areas. After a short pause he said “maybe it’s a denning area.”
Now a couple of the random thoughts started to drift towards each other. I remembered the best daylight sighting was of a smaller squatch, the backpackers had found a small footprint and there are always lots and lots of obnoxious noise all night long keeping people awake.
They must be freakin teenagers! And they are probably doorbell ditching the dorky humans.
Now if my campsite ever gets toilet papered, I know I’m right.
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Bigfoot: July 2010 Scouting Trip… oh what a night!
By Moose Magnet | July 25, 2010
July 13-18, 2010
We arrived after 1800 hours on Tuesday evening July 13th. First priority was to get all of the tents set up with all the bedding ready to go. We then set up the tarp over the kitchen area and got everything set up in the kitchen. I will use the fire as the center of the camp. Due east about eight yards was my tent with all my boys in it. Due west about five yards was where my daughters tent was with her friend. If you shifted slightly south of her tent and went about another five yards is where the kitchen was. The kitchen was tucked in a small grove of pine trees. Both my tent and my daughter’s tent were out in the open. My tent had pine trees on the east side. Due north of our campsite was a large meadow over 200 yards long. My nephew’s tent was slightly northwest (more west than north) of the fire and about forty yards away tucked in the pine trees. My truck was south of the fire about eight yards on the dead end road we came in on. There were eight of us at this time with more coming up later. Myself, my three boys (17 years old, 14 years old and 11 years old), my daughter who is 20 and her friend who is the same age, a nephew in his early 20’s and a nephew in his early 30’s. Now it is important to note that my older nephew does not hear as well as the rest of us so he was kind of our gauge at times because if he heard it we knew it was loud. Both my nephew’s are skeptics on the subject but more so the older one (this is also important to remember). My older nephew also has insomnia which turns out is great for what we do (other than the hearing part) and my other nephew does not like to fall asleep until the sun comes up so all but the last night we had two people awake at all times. The rest of us have been on more than one BFRO Expedition (my daughter and her friend more than my boys).
We had hotdogs, potato salad and chips for dinner. We like it simple the first night. We sat around the fire and went over the protocol for the trip. We also made plans for what we were going to do. The road continued past our camp and on up the mountain. There are tons of old logging roads in the mountains of Utah and they make it easy to go places at night were there are not any campers. Before it got dark we drove around to try and find all of the campsites so we knew where every other camper may be located. This helps when trying to determine sound sources. I then looked at my topography map to just refresh my memory on where everything was. I also drove our path during the daylight so I could memorize the path and major landmarks along the way so I could keep my orientation up during the night. We didn’t hike around much the first night but the following day we hiked around especially the logging roads we knew about from previous scouting trips from Boogeyman. In fact we were in this area because of Boogeyman (who could not make it on this trip). On the 4th of July weekend he was in the area and while exploring the area found some strange rock formations in a remote area and was growled at (similar to the growl that happened to him in the Olympic Peninsula in Washington while on a BFRO Expedition) while hiking around. We had been looking at this area anyway but that kind of synched it for me. So I had information on the area prior to this trip. I had also done some recon earlier this year and previous years I was not unfamiliar with the area I just didn’t have much hiking experience of the area. Anyway I felt fairly prepared for the first night.
Tuesday Night July 13th/Wednesday Morning July 14th
We went out just after dark as one group. I felt it was a little large but I wanted to separate later after we had moved further up the road. This particular path did not have any campers on it. My kids all got Gen 1 Night Vision (NV) for Christmas this last year. It was their main gift and I know someone. Anyway, so this made it fun for my kids when we stopped. I wish I had better but you can only do what you can do. They used the IR beams to try and find eyes looking back at them. When the IR Beam hits an animal that has high quality natural night vision their eyes look like powerful green flashlights. We used our neighbor’s dog as an example to show them and it looked like a demon dog out of some B movie. This gave them a baseline to know what to look for. I try to do these type of things with the group so they have a baseline for twigs breaking, pine cones dropping, wood knocks and anything we have encounter or that we think we may encounter. We chop wood and have people go off to see what it sounds like and how far the sound travels and so on. Back to that night, we did our thing out there and nothing happened. We decided to go back to camp and wait a bit and then go back out. As it turned out my youngest had a cough so he wanted to turn in early so my boys and I stayed back in camp while the rest went out again on the road. They did some of the normal protocols we do. At one point my daughter found with the NV what appeared to be a pair of eyes looking at her. Once this was established she passed her NV to her friend. Her friend only saw one and then the NV was passed to my Nephew’s who only saw one eye. They looked to see if it could be a star or some other anomaly. There was nothing there with the naked eye that would indicate something other than a pair of eyes. Once the eyes were gone my older Nephew who is around 6’3” went out there to establish a baseline for the height of the eyes. He told me he did not go behind the tree so we could check for tracks the following day. It was determined that the eyes were taller than he was. (Note: The following day we looked for tracks around the area and found that something had been there but when or what was not conclusive. The material was pine needles and such which happens to be some of the toughest to track in or glean information. This was frustrating because we could not find physical evidence to support what they said they saw.) They marked the area and returned to camp after a while. We sat around camp recounting the night and just shooting the breeze. We turned in around 0200. I didn’t hear anything significant on the recorder for the night and my nephew’s only heard some minor movement.
Wednesday July 14th.
Everyone woke up at various times. We made hashbrown, eggs, bacon, sausage and had some chocolate milk for breakfast. Over breakfast we went over what happened last night for everyone. The plan for today was to hike around and find the rock formations Boogeyman had found on the 4th. We don’t know what did them it was just odd where they were at since we are both hunters and they are known to do similar things. On our hike we did find them and took pictures and measured some of them. We think we found both ends of the line which had over a dozen formations in it. One end made sense to where it was located but the other did not as far as a hunter would be concerned. Anyway I just thought it was worth mentioning. After the hike we just hung out at camp playing card games, reading, relaxing and sleeping. For dinner we had Dutch Oven BBQ Chicken, potatoes, cowboy beans, and cherry cobbler. This is always the best meal of the trip. During dinner we discussed what we were going to do that night. We wanted to go further up the mountain and go off of the main road further.
Wednesday Night July 14th/Thursday Morning July 15th
Nothing really happened until some of our group stayed back in camp. After we came back to camp I decided to call blast some coyote calls to see if I could get a response. This has worked in other areas. I was curious to see if there were any in the area. This helps when trying to determine vocals that we hear. When I went on one of the California Expeditions last year one of the BFRO Investigators from the area played tons of local animal sounds for us so we could get a baseline of sounds. Since then I have made a CD for our group so we can do the same for Utah. I have over 40 variations of Coyote alone along with every other large known species that might confuse us. I would have to admit that Foxes make some of the strangest sounds I have ever heard. My youngest was getting worse so I opted not to go out again and he went to bed early. My oldest and I stayed back in camp while the other five made their way up the mountain and onto an old logging road. We had already made this hike during the day so they knew where it was in the dark plus we had marked it to ensure us finding it. The Logging Road group had activity but nothing that could be singled out as Squatch so not really worth reporting. During the time they were gone my son and I had three projectiles hit our kitchen area. Two of which we agreed sounded like rocks hitting the bark of trees and not pinecones falling. The other one we could tell was something that gave the impression it was not a pinecone falling but something actually tossed. We also had a loud single wood knock from the NorthEast (this was one direction I was fairly certain did not have campers and if I described the area you would understand why). The other group made their way back and hung out above camp on the road for a bit. After turning in for the night it wasn’t even a half an hour and my Nephew’s tent was hit by something (on the side) hard enough it bounced off and hit several feet away (kind of like a trampoline affect). They said it defiantly hit the side. Shortly after they heard what sounded like a bipedal subject moving around and then their tent was struck again, this time they think it was a pine cone but it did not slide down the side of their dome tent, it again hit hard and bounced to the side. Their tent was under a tree with several pine cones on it. Something to note is after this night we played games in this tent during the day to see if pine cone would drop and what they sounded like. Nothing ever did. We also threw pine cones trying to simulate them dropping off the trees and most slide down the sides after hitting the tent.
Thursday July 15th
My youngest son woke up shortly after I did and he was feeling worse. I talked to him and he decided that he would like to go home. So I threw some gear in the truck we were not going to use any more, got some bagels for breakfast and left. He felt bad and wanted to stay but he said he just didn’t feel well enough (we took him to the doctor later and he has double pneumonia so he was very sick). I felt bad for him but I knew it was the right decision because he needed his own bed and needed to relax. I got back that afternoon and tried to sneak in a quick nap but that didn’t work. That night we had Poo Stew for dinner with rolls (we take large soup cans of non-creamy soups and just mix several different types together). As long as you don’t mix anything cream oriented the soup is really good, it is an old Scout trick. The plan for the night was to do more of the same and hit the same areas.
Thursday Night July 15th/Friday Morning July 16th
My two Nephew’s chose to stay back at camp this time while I took everyone else out. They said they heard something hit a log not to long after we had left the area. As they sat around the fire they heard movement around camp on the wooded side. At one point they said something crashed into the tarp that was over the kitchen area. Once again I looked for tracks and found nothing I could say would sway me either way. My group had nothing happen that would lead me to believe it was nothing but normal forest sounds. We all came back to camp and sat around the camp for a while just shooting the breeze again. I wanted to go out one last time but this time I was not going to go far. My daughter and my younger nephew went with me. We were just above camp this time. I wasn’t going to do any loud vocals but I still wanted to let it be known that it was our camp that was doing all of this. I opted to do some guttural grunts this time that someone showed me how to do in California last fall. I had just rattled off a few of them and all three of us heard something that I have never heard. The best way I can describe it is that imagine putting your cell phone on vibrate and putting it on a table. That vibration when it rings coupled with the low growl of a dog when it is warning of danger and then add a good amount of bass. We heard it three times coming from about 40 plus yards west of our camp. It creeped us out enough that both my daughter and I took out our bear spray at the same time. I have been stalked by bears in Yellowstone and I have been stalked by cougar’s while hunting in Utah and have heard plenty of sounds from both but this was new to me on all levels. At this time we also felt like we were not alone and being watched. I tend to discard this most of the time because I am not sure if it is self induced on my part. I still have no clue other than the fact I heard it with two other people and it was deep and guttural. It took me a little while to muster the courage to do the low grunts again. We didn’t have any other response and decided to go back to camp for the night. Nothing else happened while we were awake around the fire. We turned in after 0200 in the morning. About twenty minutes after we turned in my Nephew’s said their tent was again struck by something that had some muster on it. Then shortly after the first another object struck the tent again at a different location. Now at this time their tent was furthest away from everyone else and secreted in the trees the best. This would later change after my Nieces’ arrived on Friday.
Friday July 16th
We woke up at random time. I decided I wanted to try and make Aebleskiver’s for breakfast. They are like round pancake balls. Well that was an epic failer. My Nephew has cooked them before and when he woke up he said you have to use Crisco on the pan so they don’t stick, it is almost like you are deep frying each one. So I cooked pancakes instead. I need practice. We were expecting some more people to possibly come up today. About noon we heard my Niece crackle over the radio. I had to go find them and then I drove her minivan down because of the road. I only hit bottom once. I was hoping they would bring their truck but they had issues with it. They had been looking for us for about two hours and they had just about given up. These two nieces are twins and in their thirties and they brought a friend with them. They set their tent up to the south of camp secreted partly in the woods and all by themselves. Three women isolated from the main camp. This could be interesting. They had never done this before and new very little about the subject.
Friday Night July 16th/ Saturday Morning July 17th
That night we had Southwest BBQ Chicken and potato salad for dinner. We sat around and I went through all of the protocol with the Newbie’s. The plan for the night was we would all leave together then at some point all the women would break off and go it alone. That almost happened. My Niece’s would only go if I went with them so it was all of the women and myself (hold the joke’s). We left everyone back off the side of the road and I took them up to further up the road. We stopped at a clearing off the side of the road and hung out there for a while. While there we did some wood knocks and both parties heard two wood knocks from the south. During this time the lower group heard three more wood knocks. Two of the girls went off into the woods to use the restroom. Just as they were leaving the group one of my Niece’s was standing there and got hit just below the neck line by a wood chip that stuck to her sweater. She was confused about it. No one was moving near her and the other two were more than ten yards away in a different direction. She came to me and showed it to me and told me what happened. I don’t know what to make of this. The wood chip was the size of quarter and almost a half an inch think. Nothing else happened so I decided to continue on up to the old logging road. We sat on some rocks and started to do our thing and coordinated our efforts with the other group. Shortly after settling it we all heard a whistle and thought it was someone in the group. I was sitting across from one of my nieces and all of a sudden she said she could see a red glow over my right shoulder in the woods. She started freaking out. It then went away. Shortly after that she saw it again and started curling up in the fetal position, then she covered her eyes and said she couldn’t look anymore. Then she peaked and said it was still there and covered her eyes again. We were hearing forest noises from that direction which was north of our position. We then got a call from the lower group saying they wanted to join us up here. I moved and found a different spot to sit away from the women. We heard two clacks and shortly after the lower group appeared. After we got caught up my two nephew’s and my daughters friend went further up the road. After they left we kept hearing forest noises from the north where my niece saw the red glows. My daughter wanted something to happen to her so she decided to move to the north of us about ten yards from anyone else and sat on a rock that was about six feet in diameter. She put her back to the north (woods) and faced us. Shortly after that I saw a red glow getting brighter, hit its peak and then go dim and out of sight. This lasted for over five seconds. Now there were other times I thought I saw eye glow but I don’t mention it because it could be my imagination. I have to have something else occur before I admit it is eye glow. Out of all of what I thought I saw this is the only one I will recount because how long it was there giving me time to view it and also the events that followed. One of my nieces shortly after this said she was staring at red eye glow just south of us. She started acting panicked so we were trying to find what she was looking at. She said it was moving and she could see the silhouette of the Bigfoot. She blurted out, “I am looking right at it and it doesn’t care!” She said some other things as well and then she had had enough and tried to make a run for it but her friend grabbed her and held her there. She continued to describe where it was and then I asked, “are you sure it is not my son (middle)?” She asked, “where is he?” My middle son had moved to the south just about ten feet away from her and climbed the small embankment and then got on top of a rock. My niece was seeing the red glow of the IR from the Night Vision my son was using while trying to find what she was looking at. I will admit I tried not to laugh but her sister and friend did not hold back. I got the entire thing recorded and plan on giving her a copy. It was priceless. My niece thought my son was a Squatch that didn’t care she was making eye contact with it and she couldn’t figure out why no one else could see it. I asked her after the situation had calmed if she had learned one thing… know where everyone is in your group. We continued doing our thing with the other group. The upper group was hearing movement and rock grinding (like you would hear when you walk on a gravel road and the rocks grind from the pressure of you walking). We continued to hear forest noises behind my daughter and a few said they would see eye glow from time to time. Then we heard what sounded like two clicks from around my daughter. Then a rock (clear as day) hit and bounced off of the rock my daughter was sitting on. She then started hearing loud movement right behind her. She called out to me and said she couldn’t move and wanted me to come and get her. She said she had had enough. I quickly got up and made my way to her. As I pulled her off the rock she was shacking like a leaf in the wind. She couldn’t stand and almost took me down with her. We had to stay there for a moment so she could regain the ability to walk. She made her way back to the main group and sat down. My oldest son said that you need to be careful what you ask for. He was hit with a rock on an earlier trip this year. A few more minor things happened and then my niece’s said they were done and would like to go back to camp. Their cup was full. I radioed up to the upper group and told them we were leaving. They stayed for a bit. On the way down I could hear movement off to our right and then later off to our left after we passed the campers that were camped on the left. Others in the group heard this as well. Once we got back to camp I radioed the upper group. They said after we left it was dead quiet up there. They said they think they followed our group out. By the noised we heard I would have to agree that they followed us back to camp. After a bit the upper group made their way back to camp. We sat around the fire and recounted what took place and then we all laughed about what happened to my niece.
After everyone retired to their tents I guess it went crazy. I have it all recorded so I do have a timeline for everything but the rock throws and the tent brushing. About seven and a half minutes after we went to bed while my daughter and her friend were talking about what happened to her you can clearly hear five wood knocks in the background which was about 0237 in the morning. My two nephew’s heard everything that night and said the knocks came from at least six or more locations. Between 0255 in the morning until about 0321 I recorded nine vocals, some faint but all had a similar sound. Then at about 0330 the wood knocks or banging starts. First there was one and then about fourteen minutes later two more followed by four more about thirty seconds later then about fifteen seconds later there was a series of twenty one followed by three about forty seconds later and then a minute later I counted sixty seven in a row lasting about forty five seconds. Then for the next three minutes I only heard three and then is was fairly quiet for about sixteen minutes. Then I heard one again. About fourteen minutes later I heard another nine in a row. Not even eight minutes later there was another fifteen in a row which was about 0426 in the morning and around a minute later another eight in a row. My recording ended around 0435 in the morning because I was out of memory on that card. I need to get bigger cards. My nieces tent had some encounters after my recorder died. They said there was something heavy moving around their tent early in the morning and it sounded like it was bipedal. On the back of their dome tent are five rope tie downs for the corners and the doggy door/vent. On that side they said something walked by rubbing the top of their dome tent which is around five and half feet tall. I didn’t see any signs of the tie downs being pulled up but I did notice the northeast corner of the tent (where the subject was said to have started) the corner of the tent pole was dug in the ground leaving a small trench about eight inches long like it had been kicked or something. I look for tracks but the area was either to compact from previous activity or had too many pine needles. I could see that something had been there but it could have easily been my nieces setting up the tent. Whatever happened left a lasting impression upon them and made them yell out for me. By the way I did not hear it but one of my nephew’s did get out of their tent to check on them. My niece said shortly after she screamed the subject move into the trees. In the morning my nephew’s said that there tent was hit ten times during the night and said at least six of them they believe were rocks and had a little muster on them. The rest could have been pinecones but they believe they too were also thrown and did not drop from trees. This night was by far the most active for us. Sadly I slept through it all.
Saturday July 17th
We had a mixture of muffins and bagels for breakfast. We played games most of the day and just tried to relax. Some people took naps. My daughter and her friend (with others help) moved their tent on the other side of the kitchen are to be more isolated so stuff would happen to them during the night.
Saturday Night July 17th/ Sunday Morning July 18th
We all went up the road as one group. Shortly after hiking my two nephews went back to camp because nature was calling. The rest of us made our way to the logging trail. Nothing really major happened while we were waiting. I did hear what sounded like a person walking from where we came up and thought it was my nephew’s coming up because I knew they were on their way. I turned to look and did not see red headlamps so I radioed them and they were still a few minutes away. About a minute later they did show up on the trail. Here is an account from my younger nephew of that evening.
‘During road walking Saturday night when the group reached the logging road IS and I had to take a crap and therefore went back to base camp. On the way to base camp we heard nothing and on the way back to the logging road we heard nothing. After getting back to the group IS and I had decided to separate from everyone else and go further up the logging road. IS and I stayed barely within hearing range of the group meaning that we could hear the group in the distance. If looking up the road was 12 o’clock IS and I sat off the road at 9 o’clock and the main group was somewhere about 6 to 7 o’clock. The road had curved slightly (to the right) when walking up. We heard a stick break in the direction of approximately 5 to 6 o’clock between us and the rest of the group. That’s when John radioed us that JS (John’s oldest son) saw something move across the road. Later we heard another stick snap closer to us like something was moving towards us on the opposite side of the road where we were sitting. Again later we heard another stick snap in the direction of 3 o’clock which is right across the road from us. Before we went down and joined the rest of the group IS and I heard a stick snap on our side of the road in the direction of 9 o’clock. We were about 10 to 15 feet away from the edge of the woods (10 to 15 feet away from us in the direction of 9 o’clock) and we could see absolutely nothing beyond the woods. We joined up with the group which wanted to head back to base camp except for AS, CG, IS and myself who stayed at the logging road for a while longer. We got no more activity all the way up to reaching base camp.
When we went to bed IS and I heard a rock hit the tent within a short time. A little later I heard a car alarm go off which was on the road above us. The car alarm was on for what felt like a while before turning off so I don’t think that the campers accidentally turned it on. I believe something set it off. Shortly after that I heard another rock hit the tent. Also I kept seeing quick flashes of white light on the side of my tent and I heard faint voices in the direction of the campers. After the rock throw I heard nothing other than the campers now and then. That night I went to bed early then the other nights because I felt that there was nothing out there.’
There were some forest noises up on the logging road but nothing that would strongly indicate we had the visitor we were seeking up there. The campers my nephew is referring to moved up above us about seventy five yards or so and in a place I didn’t think anyone would camp at. I think the car alarm and all of their white light activity made the night a bust. I listened to the recording and the car alarm went off for almost a minute and a half. Then I could hear commotion for a while and some calling out by the campers. About ten minutes before the truck alarm going off I did hear someone yell ‘Hello?’ on the recorder.
I think we had a great trip and one to remember. I am in the process of working on the sounds and will post them as I get them cleaned up. There were some on the trip who were skeptics and now have some food for thought. There are those who are strongly skeptical as I am. I have taken people hunting for deer on many occasions and when hunting not every little thing that occurs on the trip is a deer. The same is to be said while Squatching. Not every little thing that occurs is a Bigfoot. I leave that up to every individual person to decide. I will say this much… out of all the possible eye shine I may have seen I can only say strongly that there was one I believe was not my imagination and that occurred not far from my daughter on the rock. I wish I could have heard the banging in real life. I have now heard wood knocks in four different states and they have a commonality between them in sound. There were a few that I did hear on this trip that had the same familiarity about them. The bangs on the recording I am trusting my nephew’s on what they actually heard. The vocals on the other hand I believe are legit after sending them off to someone I trust and also because of how familiar I am with the Utah Mountains and their wild life. These are unlike anything I have heard known animals make either from personal experience of from what I have gathered on the internet. Again… I will let the listener decide for themselves.
John…
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2009 Deseret Newspaper Article - Bigfoot: A Search in Utah
By Moose Magnet | May 16, 2010
It has been almost a year since the article but I have decided to post it here for our records and because of interest. This was interesting how this came about. Anyway I found out it hit the front page the Wednesday I was on the Utah Expedition last year. I drove down to get some gas at a 7 Eleven and called my wife. She started laughing and said it was on the front page. My kids jumped out of the truck and ran in the store grabbing the copies and started reading. The picture they took was very flattering too. A person with the initials of MS called me the ‘Angry Sniper’ because of the picture. I was teased pretty good on the Expedition last year.
After it hit the paper someone at work in our PR Department found out about it. They asked if they could do an article on me in out companies news letter. I haven’t seen to much from that except from the occasional questions and people making fun when they don’t know I am listening down the hall. It comes with the subject matter so I don’t let it bother me.
Here is a link to the paper article. I also posted the article below the link. If you want to see the picture you are going to have to visit the article. Very little in the article is actually about me or from me.
John R. Salmond plans to head to a remote corner of northeastern Utah this weekend in search of a legend.
Salmond, 44, is a new member of the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, which plans to explore the Ashley National Forest near the Utah-Wyoming border this Thursday through Monday looking for elusive Bigfoot evidence. Founded in 1995, BFRO claims to be the only scientific organization dedicated to finding Bigfoot.
Some 26 years ago when he was 18, Salmond, of Clearfield, said he discovered three sets of footprints of varying size while on a Boy Scout trip in southwestern Wyoming. In his mind only one type of creature could have made those tracks: Bigfoot.
Since then, Salmond said he’s recorded knocks and whistle sounds that fit the evolving profile of a Bigfoot or sasquatch. He has viewed strange night-time thermal images of something he can’t quite describe. And he says he has even had rocks thrown at him in the darkness of the high Uintas by what he believes was one of the large, hairy nonhuman primates that, according to folklore, roam North America.
“I’ve had some experiences,” he said. “I can’t deny what I saw.”
Purported sightings in the Utah are not uncommon. Less than two weeks ago, Ryan Burns said he spotted a strange, hairy creature in the forest south of his home.
“I saw a reddish figure,” he said. “At first, I thought it was a person in a fur coat.”
Burns, who runs a bed and breakfast in Duchesne, said he had a weird feeling about what he was seeing. He said the figure looked at him and “disappeared into the brush.” He raced after it on horseback, but it eluded him. He doesn’t believe a human could move away that quickly, and he said few people ever frequent the rugged area he was in.
A member of the BFRO’s 2007 expedition to Utah, Burns believes from the recent sighting and other experiences that Bigfoot is real.
Experiences like those Burns and Salmond describe are the reason Bigfoot researchers are returning to Utah.
“Our target area (in Utah) has everything we look for,” said Caroline Curtis, secretary/investigator with Florida-based www.bfro.net, which besides the Utah trip has 16 other expeditions in the U.S. and Canada planned this year. “The location is kept secret, not just to keep it unspoiled, but also for safety and scientific purposes.”
The group participating in this year’s hunt will be relatively small, about 25, including investigators and first-time participants. The team will set up a base camp from which it will venture out in search of clues during the day. At night they’ll use night vision cameras and sit around the campfire swapping Bigfoot stories.
Reported Bigfoot sightings vary, but according to folks like Curtis, 80 percent happen at night and are usually in the mountains, the foothills or near open spaces. Most involve a creature who is reserved, though a little curious. Bigfoot may watch a camp in the mountains from a distance, but is rarely aggressive. Some people reported their trucks or campers being rocked by a Bigfoot, but Utah Bigfoot expert Ryan Layton says that is rare. A foul odor usually permeates a Bigfoot encounter, he said.
While few scientists give Bigfoot’s existence any credence, one who does is Jeffrey Meldrum, an associate professor of anatomy and anthropology at Idaho State University who has two zoology degrees from BYU. He is the author of the book “Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science,” a companion to the Discovery Channel documentary of the same name. Dubbed by some as America’s “Bigfoot professor,” he’s been a believer ever since he came across 15-inch footprints a decade ago in the woods near Walla Walla, Wash.
“I’m not trying to proselytize that Bigfoot exists,” Meldrum told the Associated Press. “I place legend under scrutiny and my conclusion is, absolutely, Bigfoot exists.”
Most people scoff at Bigfoot reports — Meldrum’s colleagues at ISU signed a petition when he hosted a Bigfoot symposium on campus and some of his fellow science professors want his tenure revoked. Detractors point out that to date scientists have not found fossil evidence to support the existence of a nomadic apeman.
Layton, an independent Utah Bigfoot researcher who lives in Layton, believes Utah Bigfoot sightings go largely under reported because the possibility of ridicule prevents many people from coming forward.
Layton has interviewed numerous people who claim Bigfoot sightings since 1980, and said he believes the majority told the truth — they saw something they can’t explain.
Salmond helps maintain the Web site utahsquatchinggroup.com.
“I respect their viewpoint,” new BFRO member Salmond said of nonbelievers. “I’m not here to convince them. … There’s a lot of mysteries in the world still to discover.”
Some purported Utah Bigfoot sightings
When the Deseret News first did an overall look into Utah bigfoot phenomena back in 1993, it found at least 36 total purported sightings/signs of the creature from 1977 on. In the 16 years since, there have been at least another 49 new alleged sightings (an average of more than one a month) reported in Utah.
Here’s a sampling of some reported bigfoot sightings in Utah:
Early June 2009 — Two campers along Reservation Ridge, northwest of Price, were frightened by a strange creature they saw in the area. They quickly packed up and left.
December 2008 — A man driving along state Route 44 three miles west of Flaming Gorge reported seeing an upright figure with eyes that reflected his headlights. It had long black and gray hair and was not afraid of his noisy pickup truck, but soon disappeared into the trees.
Jan. 8, 2008 — A semi driver on I-15 near Scipio said he had to swerve to avoid hitting what he thought could have been a bigfoot running across the freeway during foggy conditions. It was hairy and the creature’s leg alone was the size of a man’s body. The man said it was like looking into the face of a gorilla when he made eye contact. He said he was a bigfoot skeptic prior to that experience.
Aug. 22, 2007 — A family reported unearthly whoops and howls heard at night in the Yellowstone Canyon area of the high Uintas wilderness area.
September 2006 — A woman camping in the Monte Cristo area, Cache County, reported seeing a tall, dark figure in the moonlight, about 25 yards away. It was unlike any other animal she had ever seen. Her usually calm dog also had whined and whimpered a lot that night.
July 2006 — A man and other witnesses in the high Uintas near Beth and Trident lakes heard screams at night that they said could have come from a bigfoot.
October 2004 — Two men hunting in the Chalk Creek area near Coalville reported seeing a 9-foot-tall black creature unlike anything they had ever seen before.
May 2003 — Some teenagers in Farmington reported hearing strange noises and seeing a bigfoot along the Lagoon Trail east of the amusement park.
2002 — Various sightings are reported in the Oquirrh Mountains.
2002 — A Layton man scouring the mountainside with a scope spotted a strange creature roaming in the foothills above the state Route 193/U.S. 89 junction. He used his camcorder to film the creature for about five minutes from about 500 yards away. A few hours later, he went into the area and despite snow on the ground, could not find footprints.
1997 — Strange footprints are found all over Ogden Valley during the winter.
1996-97 — A woman and her children in Eden, Ogden Valley, reported seeing bigfoot twice in some brushy areas. “I can’t deny it,” she said.
1996 — A group of children in North Ogden’s Coldwater Canyon said they were chased away by a bigfoot. Footprints also are found at the fish farm in North Ogden and at Nordic Valley.
1995 — A North Ogden resident reported seeing a large, dark, hairy creature in his yard one night. It also ripped a large metal gate out of a fence and hurled it 30 feet away. A teenage boy said he saw bigfoot running alongside a canal.
1991 — Bigfoot sightings reported by residents in North Ogden.
1981 — The police chief of Garland, Box Elder County, said he saw a creature run in front of his car. Several other residents also reported sightings and tracks were found that led in a northwest direction.
Early 1980s — A man from Lapoint, Uintah County, flying a small airplane from Ogden to his home one winter, reported seeing a large, hairy manlike creature walking through the deep snow of the high Uintas.
Early 1980s — One summer, Lee Fielding of Hooper, Weber County, who works for Utah Wildlife Resources, was camping in the Elizabeth Mountain area of the Uintas. He reported that something stormed through his camp one night and scared all the horses away. The next morning, his horse would not go in a particular direction, and he met a group of hunters in a nearby camp who told him they were spooked by seeing what they described as a bigfoot.
May 1980 — An Ogden couple picking asparagus along the Weber River near 12th Street and I-15 reported an 8-foot-tall black figure with glowing red eyes about 40 yards away. Several strange footprints also were discovered in a residential area of North Ogden.
April 1980 — A 13-year-old Washington Terrace, Weber County, girl reported a hairy creature standing up with its back to her only 10 feet away in a gully near the Weber River. She also said she smelled a terrible odor and rushed home. Her brother, cutting oak brush nearby, also saw something “large and black” about the same time.
February. 1980 — Bigfoot made news in Utah with numerous sightings in South Weber and the surrounding area. Paulene Markham said she saw something like bigfoot walking on a ridge behind their house; Ron J. Smith reported a creature in the moonlight in a pasture next to his house. He also said he heard it make an inhuman scream; Walter G. Ray said that a pan of burned stew set outside to cool was mysteriously licked clean; Possible bigfoot tracks were reported in the South Weber area; Lee Padilla of Clearfield reported seeing a 10-foot tall beast dart across Riverdale Road in front of his headlights at 3:30 a.m.; a Uintah man reported seeing something he described as nonhuman out a window of his home in the foothills.
1979 — Larry Darley of Clearfield was elk hunting with his wife in the fall near Monte Cristo east of Ogden. They later reported a loud noise and an “awful” odor at twilight. Mrs. Darley said she spotted a “hairy thing, with fangs” at a water hole 50 yards away through the rifle scope. They watched it for several minutes before rushing to their truck after the animal seemed to look at them.
Aug. 22, 1977 — Eight hikers, including Jay Barker and Larry Beeson of North Ogden, were in the Cuberant Basin of the Uinta Mountains and reported watching an 8- to-10-foot-tall creature with a mantle of white hair from 600 to 800 yards away for 20 minutes until some loose rock alerted it to their presence on a ridge. An expedition into the area a few days later found no tracks on very hard ground.
June 1977 — Four adults in the Elizabeth Mountain area of the High Uintas watched what they thought were three bigfoot in a meadow.
April 1977 — Children in the town of Washington reported seeing a mammoth creature lurking through the town’s streets. Later, strange footprints were found in the same area on many different nights.
1973 — Craig R. Johnson of Farr West, Weber County, was elk hunting with friends in the Manti-La Sal Mountains. After returning to camp, they reported something very powerful had lifted the door off a 300-pound horse trailer and tossed it 10 feet away. An imprint in the dust on the door didn’t indicate a bear or a human.
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1970s — Some residents of Clarkston, northwest of Logan, reported that something took a midnight trip through their community, awakening and frightening residents.
Sources: BFRO, Deseret News archives, Ryan Layton, Ryan Burns, Darrell Smith and personal interviews. — Compiled by Lynn Arave
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Been Hibernating… Time to look for Bigfoot again…
By Moose Magnet | April 15, 2010
Well it has been a while since my last post. I have been hibernating. Really during the winter I get into other projects but this years was especially heavy. I got into some good old fashion remodeling. Then a couple other hobby’s took control because my children got into them. I took advantage of the winter and the fact they were indoor hobbies. Now that spring is here I am looking outdoors now. We have some outings planned this year. I want to concentrate on 40 Knock canyon more this year or in reality that neck of the woods. We have some other place where Squatch has thrown stuff at us and messed with the zipper on our tent but they don’t do any vocalizations to speak of. This is why I want to return to the area where we had several sounds both vocal and wood knocking. Plus I have a much better recorder this year that my wife got me for Christmas. On a bonus all of my children have Gen I night vision as well. We are also in the process of making some IR Floodlights for them. We are hoping for a good year.
Cheers,
John…
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BFRO Youtube Channel
By Moose Magnet | February 13, 2010
It has been a while since we have been active. However… that aside I would like to inform you about the BFRO Youtube channel. You need to go there and check it out. I have also put a link on our blog so you can come back to it anytime.
We should start things up in Utah again in a couple of months. We have been doing research during the winter and have some new areas to check out with new witnesses. Should be loads of fun.
Cheers,
Moose Magnet
John…
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More on the NoCal Fall BFRO 2009 Expedition…
By Moose Magnet | October 4, 2009
I would like to add some additional information about the area that the subject was viewed for sixty five minutes. I was not there but I was the person who did go down and check the area out. I was also used as a reference for the witnesses. I went there with Boogeyman who led the group that night. We also had one other witness with us who I will refer to a ‘M’. I was the logical choice to venture down the slope to where the subject was. The slope was fairly steep and was littered with dead fall, branches of every size, under growth, shrubs, ferns and small trees. Needless to say it sucked getting down there and I got torn up doing so. One thing that was noticed right away is that Boogeyman and M could not hear me after about twenty yards. The sound seamed to be absorbed by the forest. I was not being quite because it was next to impossible plus I didn’t have the time because I had a casting class I had to teach. Boogeyman and M directed me to the location using the thermal. A short distance from the location I noticed that everything I had been moving through to reach the area was no longer a problem and became thinner as I closed in on the target area. In other words the area became very easy to manage and appeared to have been cleared out. Mind you I was still under the same canopy of trees which would result in the same terrain as I had previously been through. After examining the area I noticed several impression in the needles and duff. They were large flat impressions. I could definitively see that something large had been walking around the area. (Note: I could not find any tracks from a hoofed animal in this particular area) After they navigated me to the area it was obvious that the foliage was taller than me in the area and that if they were not looking through the thermal or if I did not move the branches they could not see me. The subject they were viewing that night had to much taller to be seen above the foliage. My friend and M also mentioned that the subject had about three times the mass I had. I’m about 280 pounds and six foot one. After they were satisfied with the location I told them I wanted to look around in greater detail. To make a long story short I found two small knolls that appeared to be viewing areas. They were more compact than everywhere else and I could see the dirt through the needles and duff. Leading up to one knoll I found a good track line. It appeared the subject approached up the small incline to the first knoll. The prints dug into the duff exposing the dirt underneath. It pushed off with the front of the foot. The print was around seven inches wide. From print to print was just over six feet leaving the stride length from toe to heel at just over five feet going up hill. Extremely large stride for going up hill (the average human stride is about three feet on flat ground). All other tracks were compression in the duff. The area appeared to be groomed and large branches and undergrowth had been removed or trampled through time. I also noticed that from these two knolls I could see an extremely large section of the trail. This was a perfect viewing area. I would dare say something could be there in broad day light viewing people moving along the trail. It would be interesting to be there during the day with a thermal looking for anything down in this area I was now standing in. On the way out I wanted to test something. I called up to my friend and wanted them to listen as I broke various sizes of branches. They did not hear me until I broke a branch that was about an inch and half in diameter. I wish I would have known that the night before when I was there. We heard branches breaking from the same area. In order for us to hear that the branches logically would have to be the same size or larger and that being said would lead me to believe a large animal was down there. Anyway there is my two cents. Here are some pictures of the area. Click on the links to see the pictures.
This is the upper divit closest to the first knoll. Notice the twig in the track. You will see it in other pictures.
My measuring tape is on the uphill side of the tracks leading to the knoll. I have arrows pointing to both prints.
My back pack is by the north knoll. The upper track is in the bottom of the picture. I am facing in the direction of where my friend is up on the path above me.
To the right is the north knoll and though it may not look like it the south knoll is to the left.
This is to the left of the track line. You will notice that past the tree it becomes thick again.
Personally I did not have anything significant that I can say was Squatchy on this trip. Boogeyman and I did have three bears visit us one night. In fact one was very determined to cross the small walking bridge we were on. It took a bit of effort to discourage his efforts. I had tons of fun and it was nice meeting new people, making new friends and catching up with old ones. Now I have to wait until next year. It is going to be a long winter.
John…
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Bigfoot Basics: Sex, Food & Shelter
By Boogeyman | September 23, 2009
Bigfoot Basics: Sex, Food & Shelter
When critically examining theories about Bigfoot behaviors, I have difficulty accepting they have characteristics and abilities that can’t be found in any other animal species. In fact to me it is pushing the limit if said attributes can’t be found somewhere else within the primate world. I don’t’ think this is a narrow minded approach that limits our understanding, quite the opposite. I think it should help researchers and field investigator hone in on what is critical and what isn’t.
For example, recently in the Bigfoot world there has been a shift in our understanding of wood knocking. It is becoming accepted by most serious researchers, myself included, that some of the wood knocks heard are not in fact a wooden club being hit against a tree or log. Instead they are somehow manufacturing the sound with their own bodies, either by clapping, smacking their lips or popping their tongue. These types of actions can be readily found in both the primate world and among primitive, indigenous people. In this example it is easy for me to reassess my thinking about wood knocking behavior and based on other known animal behavior accept this theory.
This new idea of clapping just happens to dove tails nicely with some personal and second hand experiences I am familiar with and for me clarifies more than it confounds. On the other hand if no other primate made noise in a similar fashion, I wouldn’t accept that Sasquatches could either. Now my approach to wood knocking will include simulated clapping as a method of locating, attracting, antagonizing or communicating with these animals. Who knows where it leads, maybe they know Morse Code?
So let’s get back to the basics. Every large animal species needs three things to survive individually and as a whole. Sustenance, shelter and sex, take one away and they eventually become extinct. Following the basic litmus test I apply to Sasquatches, they must also need all three, like other animals and other primates. They need the basics.
Sustenance appears to be the area we know the most about. Their ability to eat a wide range of foods, including prey, has been witnessed numerous times and is probably a key factor in their diverse range and highly successful survival skills. Food sources are one of the first things most field investigators look for when determining the presence of Sasquatches, in fact food is always a key element in any legitimate habituation. I think evidence of food gathering, and left over dead prey animals will play a larger and larger role in proving these animals reside in certain areas at certain times.
Shelter is a word that can mean different things to different people. My shelter while in the field is either a Springbar tent or my famous bear burrito, (a tent hammock). To someone, or something else it may be nothing more than a tree branch over their head. To whatever degree you apply the term shelter; all animals have learned how to shelter themselves from the elements, predators and detection from humans.
In the case of Sasquatches there are several possibilities if we look to known primate examples for guidance. Monkeys and great apes have been documented using nests, large leaves, caves, cliffs, tree holes, thick cover and other simple, ready made shelters. All though all four species of great apes have now been documented using rudimentary tools in the wild, there is no evidence of complex shelter construction by any, other than Homo sapiens. The same can be said about monkeys.
What this means for Bigfoot researchers are two fold; first, are the documented stick structures attributed to these animals shelters or something else, if they build shelters why can’t we find them and why would they be the only other primate except man that builds shelters? Second, what are a Sasquatches’ priorities in selecting their shelters? Is it predation avoidance from man, social structure such as family groups or food distribution and density? I believe discovering their main source of shelter has the potential for being the biggest bombshell in Bigfoot research. Based on anecdotal evidence, published reports and personal experience, when I am in the field I find myself studying tall trees and steep, inaccessible cliffs in a whole new way. I’m just saying…..
And that brings us to mating. Do these animals have one, lifelong mate or like most great apes does the dominate male have multiple mates, forcing the adolescent males out on their own when they reach sexual maturity.
I believe they have one mate for these two reasons. First the great apes live in larger groups. This creates certain advantage for a ‘dominate male’ type of social structure. This would be the ‘you can’t have more than one cook in kitchen’ scenario. Most likely Sasquatch lives in smaller, less detectable groups than other great apes. A monogamous relationship would be beneficial for them in terms of growth rate control, mobility, survival training of the young and encounter avoidance. Secondly, a pattern in research data shows that when multiple animals are either witnessed, or their footprints found, it is common for there to be a male, a female and one juvenile.
I was recently asked if I thought they had a mating season. I wish they did. I can only imagine what a rutting bull Sasquatch would be like. It would certainly make some of our research easier. Instead I expressed my opinion that I think they can mate all year long, like most great apes, but they probably attempt to limit birthing to times of the year when survival of the infant would be highest. I have no proof of this, just my rational opinion and one more interesting quandary about them being the only wild primate living in North America.
If we concentrate on the three Bigfoot basics, sex, food and shelter, maybe we will get some unexpected results. We might figure out how to consistently recognize feeding areas, some unfortunate person may stumble onto an effective mating call, or someone might figure out conclusive facts about their shelters, which would definitely blow open the field.
Based on the three basics even Sasquatches need, I would recommend the following when doing field research;
Do not wear any kind of primate estrogen as an attractant, just in case.
Do not act like a tasty fat doe, just in case.
Keep looking up, just in case.
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2010 Bigfoot Expedition - Chapter 1
By Moose Magnet | September 15, 2009
I have decided that I want to go back to where it all began. I want to go back to where I saw tracks when I was eighteen in the back country of Wyoming. The area is very remote and I think could yeild some cool activity. I would think that the Squatch’s have not been worked there at all so would not be use to anything we do. There were many things that happened there that at the time were very wierd and we could not explain. There were noises, eyeshine, feelings and of course the tracks. I have been thinking about the tracks and that they were left in such an excellent track trap. Why? I am hoping they have passed that trait down and they have continued not to be nervous about leaving tracks. This is not the first time I have heard of Bigfoot leaving tracks so easy to find in such remote places. I also think they will approach us and be a little braver than most. I am also hoping for vocalizations due to the fact it is so remote. The draw back will be that we do not have any real good equipment. I hope to have a new camcorder by then and hopefully my two cheap camera traps are working. So far I have a few takers for this. It will require a back pack trip. We may even hire some horses to take stuff back for us and then pick it up.
John…
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Back to UpChuck
By Slugger | September 14, 2009
Aug,29 2009
Luckycharms, myself and a newbie which we will call Snowglobe took a trip up to Upchuck to mainly camp and do a little squatching. We got there a little before dark and set up camp and started a fire. We sat around the fire and talked for a while as we were waiting for it to get a little darker so we could go squatching. Around 10 o-clock we decided it was time and we walked about 50 yards from camp which was not as far as we wanted but there were a lot of other campers up this weekend. So when we decided that we had gone far enough we discussed the game plan and protocol for squatching with Snowglobe. Shortly after we had lucky do a howl and another shortly after then we listened for a response.. All we heard in reply from other campers that seemed to be having a party! Lucky did one more call and then we decided to return to the fire and relax, and try to be louder then the rest of the camper! After an hour had gone by we decided to go back to our spot and do some more vocals! This time Lucky did a howl and then after a couple minutes I did a couple woops! We followed up with me doing more woops and Snowglobe copying me so she could try. This time we heard something, a faint howl coming from up the Canyon and up the mountain! Which was the opposite direction of the campers we heard earlier but it was not a definitive sound so we can not say it was anything spectacular! After this we again returned to the camp to get ready for bed! So unfortunately we had a pretty uneventful night!
Slugger
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Watching a Sasquatch for an hour
By Boogeyman | September 14, 2009
09-10-09
10:35 pm.
BFRO Expedition
Redwoods; Northern California
I was assigned to take four people attending their first expedition out for the night. Earlier in the day, Moose Magnet and I scouted the area looking for places that would carry vocalizations through the forest and allow us to scan through the thick underbrush and trees with a thermal imager.
My group and I arrived at the first scouted position at 9:50 pm. We were in a stand of Redwoods with thick undergrowth. The terrain dropped off from the trail towards the East. We viewed the area with a thermal imager for forty five minutes without seeing anything. I whooped twice and it carried through the forest as expected. Five minutes after I whooped, a large heat signature appeared eighty six yards below us in thick cover. As a group, we watched the figure for sixty five minutes, sharing the thermal imager between us.
I personally observed the following; A profile of a large round head with no noticeable ears, on top of a massive shoulder and arm. I could see down to what I guessed to be the elbow area. The figure was never still, it swayed most of the time and several times I could see the head rotating as it looked around and in our direction. Twice as it rotated its head I could clearly see the head was cone shaped. Several times the figure would move within a fifteen foot area, going from one opening in the brush to another. Once the figure became lower and it appeared like I was looking straight down on its head and shoulders. The heat signature from the head was brighter than the shoulders and the outline of the head was still distinguishable from the shoulders. I don’t know if it was laying down facing us or bent over at the waist and facing us up the hill.
Other members of the party observed the following; While it was in profile, it bent over at the waist and rotated it’s head in our direction, it seemed to be looking around a small trunk of one of the bushes. I whooped again and it became agitated, moved around in the opening it was using and filled up the opening with more of its body. I believe it either stood up more or turned to face us, both of which would have filled up the space. Members saw it swaying and its head rotating.
After sixty five minutes of observing the heat signature, members of the group became uncomfortable and wanted to return to the parking lot.
Two days later Moose Magnet, myself and one member of the group that observed the animal returned to the location during the day to measure the distance, make comparative observations through the thermal imager and look for physical evidence of a large animal in the area. Moose Magnet climbed down through the thick underbrush. Guided by myself and the second observer he found the location where the animal had been standing. He found the area to be groomed with a cleared forest floor, two observation mounds that had been compacted, hardened and cleared of debris, a track line in the pine needles and duff with a six foot four inch stride. He also noted that people standing on the trail could be clearly seen when standing in one of several openings in the bushes and that the area appeared to have been used more than once as an observation area.
Moose Magnet, who is six foot two inches tall, looked tiny in comparison. It was very difficult to follow his movement or find where he was standing with the thermal imager. With out the thermal imager he was impossible to detect unless he shook the tall bushes over his head.
After discussing what I saw with the other witness, and comparing it to Moose Magnet standing and walking in the same location, we concluded the following; The animal was far easier to see in the underbrush because of it’s height and size, the animal’s head was twice as big, the animal stood two and half to three feet taller, it’s over all size and mass was three times larger. Because of the undergrowth, if it had been a bear we wouldn’t be able to see it. We may have been able to see parts of an elk, but not a clear outline sticking above the bushes.
Conclusion; I observed a Sasquatch through a thermal imager for sixty five minutes after I whooped twice and it approached to investigate.
Boogeyman
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